Only waited 2 days before rubbing with 400/600/1200 sand papper, Pumice and rottenstone. If that doesnt work, you can always use a semi-gloss topcoat to change the sheen. The problem is i still cant get that typical mirror glaze that guitars have. What would be some shortcuts? I rubbed out a test board with paste was and steel wool, and was very pleased with the results. Satin finishes still have to be hand-rubbed. Will this rubbing process work if I use arm-r-seal in place of the acrylic lacquer that you used in the video but kept the rest of the process the same? Thanks in advance! View original. Answered. Go to a heavier grit if surface irregularities are not fully removed. If you are finishing a musical instrument or a fine finish table top, you will probably want to use lacquer and buff it out to a high gloss. And if so, what happens the next time I need to paint the porch? Fortunately rubbing to a satin finish is easier:1--Sand the surface flat so there are no ridges, brush marks, depressions, dust specks, etc. Questions about ‘rubbing out’ the high gloss finish. Any large grit that gets between your rubbing pad and the surface may leave a scratch deep enough to cause you to have to drop back a grit or two to remove. Should I ever be compensated to write, I will make full disclosure. For a semi-gloss sheen, continue rubbing with fine synthetic The Wood Whisperer, The Wood Whisperer Guild, TWW, and TWW Guild are trademarks of The Wood Whisperer Inc. All rights reserved. For final smoothing, I used 600, 1200, 2000 for the smoothing process, but was extremely careful not to burn through. Clean all residue when done with a damp cloth. They are both way too abrasive, and dull the finish a lot. Clearly I have done something wrong but I don’t know what it is. A high-gloss finish has long been the popular choice for tabletops and other flat surfaces. Our wood trim is too “shiny” for my taste. This can be done in a number of ways using a variety of materials, but I really like using Timbermate water-based filler. Your email address will not be published. I have been told 3M 1000 grit buffing compound would work. It has held up well because it is essentially a water-based gym floor finish that can be sprayed. Thank you for all of your past information from your web site and the comments from other readers. Once I applied the ip2000, they came back. Any product claim, statistic, quote or other representation about a product or service should be verified with the manufacturer, provider or party in question. Bottom line is you’re buffing the topcoat, not the material under it. Should I lightly sand the wood with a high grit (i.e. Rubbing the Finish. Messier process than I thought. Since Arm R Seal is already thinned for wiping, I don’t know that I’d recommend it for a surface that will be rubbed out. Saturate a piece of wet and dry sandpaper with a 1000-grit in water, sand the polyurethane finish in small, circular motions, and then clean it with a pH-neutral cleanser to remove any visible debris. Keep the paper wet at all times - you're looking for a kind of milky "slurry" indicating material is both being removed and being carried out from under the paper. Any advice on how to remove it safely from the table? As for the paint itself, I’m not much of a “paint guy.” I imagine giving the paint a few days to cure up would be adequate before applying your water-based topcoat. I’m starting at 800 to get it flat and then 1200,1500 and wet sanding. Is there any way to get a shiny or glossy finish without use of a shellac type of coating? You’ll want to treat the whole surface the same way since you’re effectively scratching the finish. For me, the ETS series is just about all I need. Yes. Makes a lot of difference. DRY/WET BUFF WITH ABRALON POLISHING DISCS. Marc, My problem is taking a high gloss oil-based finish on a front porch to a lower sheen, closer to a semi-gloss or satin. The better you sand, the less time you will spend rubbing. Thanks for venturing out of your primary focus with me! So Rockler might have a typo. I have been doing a few projects lately with high-gloss polyurethane finishes. I’d like it to still have a satin look when I’m done, and my thought is that buffing the surface would probably not change this aspect? 5. not sure if this makes any sense….but would this technique work with painted wood surfaces? How can I correct this bone headed mistake I made? Thanks. I always enjoy reading the information put out for the public on surface finishes. So you might try a spot treatment and then buff that area separately from the rest of the surface, in hopes of getting it to look a little better and less noticeable than it is now. The wax is not necessary, but for what I build, it is needed. Rubbing Out A High-Gloss Finish June 2019 Getting a professional-quality, mirror finish is just a matter of using the right finishing products, techniques, and a little elbow grease. This was a great video and very informative. You might want to use something in between your 1200 grit and the high gloss compound. This is kinda a weird question…I want to do the complete opposite of what you are doing here. :D, My wife and I both play on the Earthen Ring server, horde. In the photo below, you can see what we are looking for when buffing. I thought I would add to Marc’s reply. Even with considerable wiping the finish seemed to just bead up on the surface. The “last resort” is just to leave it as is, let it cure, and shoot it with dewaxed shellac, followed by fine wool and wax. What product and grit, and process, would you recommend, or should I just learn to live with it? I have been doing it in a fairly dust free room to avoid most of the dust spots, but I still get a few. Or only after all coats of lacquer have been applied? The key to this process is letting the finish cure. I never sand finish below 320. Tags: floor hook amp loop commonplace hook amp. Just wondering what advantages/disadvantages or doing with or without the compound? Many automotive polish brands will provide a rubbing compound and a final polish as a two-step procedure. Safety glasses for now on. 3 coats lacq I have a beautiful cherry table that has a matte finish. What is your advice, given what I have already done, to achieve a decent high-gloss finish? To avoid dust, are you wearing a Tyvek suit? Yes, that’s correct about both shellac and lacquer. (Clearly I’m a novice. You're looking for a uniform dull finish. I found rubbing with the grain was fine, no need to make circles or figure eights. But it will likely be short-lived and will need to be renewed periodically.If you truly want a shiny finish, you’ll need a film of some sort. If I go up to 2000 grit (or 4000 if I can find it) and then I go with Meguires (or comparable 3M polishes), does anyone have a recommendation for which particular Meguires products (or 3M) to use? Anyway, here’s a general guideline for wait times. If rubbing out is the answer then I need some guidance. 1. Im trying to polish my ash top guitar, i sanded already 400, 600, 1000, 1200 and finally i used a 3m high gloss compound (by hand). it is definitely coming from the ip2000. Ultimately, they all do the same thing: abrade the surface at a particular grit. I don't have a vacuum system hooked up to my sander, so I don't think the Abranet abrasives buy me much. All content on The Wood Whisperer is copyrighted, and may not be reprinted in full form without my written consent. Since brushing dry dust is easier than wiping away a liquid, I can monitor the shiny low spots more often and decrease my risk of sanding through. PLEASE HELP! I wanted it 2.5″ thick and could only find 2″ oak so I cut in 2.5″ strips and turned it on edge so I have end grain on the top. When rubbing to a high gloss it’s critical that you keep everything as clean as possible. For a small box, I might just go with a hand application to avoid issues. Norton 3x is Stearated and it resists clogging well. So can you tell me more about the product that’s already on there? Polyurethane isn't exactly the most sophisticated wood finish, and it doesn't rub out as well as lacquer or shellac. I found rubbing with the grain … So we “rub out” the final coat to make it smooth and flat. Poly isn’t the best candidate for rubbing out but I know folks have done it successfully. The surbuf packaging says it’s capable of removing swirl marks. Also, the platin abrasive goes up to 4000, but you only recommend 2000 – why? Hello Mark, The bottom darkened considerably. Then I use my random orbital sander for the automotive rubbing compound. p.s. I use two formulations: IP 2000 and SF 4000. I’m wondering if this process would be good to get that glass-like shine no them. If you painted a piece of wood with a latex paint, could you finish it with a water based top coat, then rub out that finish for a super smooth/level painted surface? The problem is can't get rid of the dust nids and the doors look bad since it's high gloss. Thanks Marc – the main reason for going on top of the Arm-R-Seal is that I like the way the sprayed varnish looks better. At this point, is it safe to try again after some more time? I would say you need to start applying lacquer and start building your coats. So, the spots are too noticeable for this type of project. Sand lightly with 240-grit sandpaper between coats, then let the last coat dry for at least 24 hours. There are lots of rubbing compounds on the market. @Mark P. – Can’t say it and then not do it …. The Wood Whisperer abides by word of mouth marketing standards and holds integrity in the highest regard. Take it to a high enough grit and you’ll be polishing the surface to a super high gloss. To level things out, I like to sand by hand using a piece of plywood faced with cork. You might want to experiment with various brands but the one I decided on was Menzerna, primarily based on Jeff Jewitt’s endorsement of the product. Just one quick question. From reading similiar articles on refinishing and preserving the wood, I have gone down the path of coating the wood stock with 100% pure tung oil. Rubbing Out A High-Gloss Finish By: Dennis Perkins Getting a professional-quality, mirror finish is just a matter of using the right fi nishing products, techniques, and a little elbow grease. When I lifted off the bookcase and tried to remove the moving blanket the fabric hairs from the moving blanket as well as a wiggly pattern was embedded in the highly polished finish of the table top. Just oil and color. That is a great video with tons of helpful information. Very well presented info. So if the latex paint provides a nice flat surface with no visible pores or grain lines, you can simply topcoat it with your finish of choice and proceed with this process. In reality, simply applying a few coats of clear finish and waiting for them to dry rarely leads to a smooth, consistent look. Amazing videos – great stuff. In order to produce a higher sheen or gloss, we need to use a finer abrasive. In doing that your location will show under your username when you post. I used 3M "Perfect-It" and my Porter-Cable worm drive random orbit sander. Thanks! Thank you for your consideration, it has been of great source for my thesis. The final coats keep having minor bubble spots and/or lint/dust spots. If you want to transform the sheen from high gloss to satin or matte, then using a hardening oil such as tung oil is a good way to do it. 1 coat lacq….. I heard your plan on the WTOR podcast to balance these two sites in the coming year and I think this is a great start. Yes, CA has been getting tough on finishes for years now. However, the shellac on the test board had cured for a couple of weeks at the time, and I realized when attempting to apply the same technique to a shelf that had only just been shellacked, the results were as I’d not applied wax and steel wool at all. I have never seen Mirka products around. I felt I needed to sand because the surface was rough in some areas after the first coat. There are also lots of options and alternatives in this arena, so don’t be afraid to experiment a bit after doing some additional research on your own. Down the middle of the table (the width) is a high gloss streak, as if it was mistakenly rubbed on; maybe from a high gloss oil on a rag? What over the counter polish should I use? I use a similar process for a project I make from time to time. Everything has gone well up to this point. Water-based finishes can be a bit difficult to rub to a high gloss, especially finishes that contain a high percentage of urethane resins. I have done 4 layers expecting to take it down a bit before polishing. The blanks were close to flat but apparently not close enough and the result I had burn through before I had flattened the low spots. I recently completed a kitchen table project for my own family. Just one quick question: Which Festool polisher are you using in this video? The final step is to buff out the 2000-grit scratches with polishing compound. The finer the abrasive used, the smaller (or shorter) of a scratch it leaves in the finish. Fo you think that is a good sander for general finish sanding, doing a satin finish and the occasional high gloss? I sanded/polished to Platin 2000…then tried to apply the ring oil solution. My thought is to buff the high gloss to dull the shine but I have no idea how that will work. Can you give us an example of the consistency we should shoot for in a filler? You might try abrading the surface with 1000-2000 grit paper and soapy water as a lubricant. Once I get it painted with the high gloss product, I can give it a coat of just semi-gloss varnish. HELP! I hope you can help me. Go to a heavier grit if surface irregularities are not fully removed. I … Thanks! Polish until the compound dries up, then wipe off any excess. I enjoyed your video and used it on a humidor with great results. Let cure a week, wet sand through the grits (up to 3600) and buff. Can you tell me what I need to do to to make this a Matte finish, we have applied one coat of varnish with the satin label. The only thing that might be better is a good French polish, but I personally don't have the time or patience for that. Stop sooner at a lower grit and you can achieve the perfect semi-gloss, satin, thanks again…. Your email address will not be published. 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